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ashishbondia
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Post subject: BROAD BAND DC BLOCKING CAPACITORS
Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:28 am
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Joined: Wed Aug 16, 2006
8:20 am Posts: 23 Location: India
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Hi! I have an amplifier whose data-sheet says
that it can be used from DC to 8 GHz. It also mentions
that lower frequency limit is decided by the external
DC blocking capacitors. I found many broadband DC
blocks of 100pF that can operate from 10 MHz to
20 MHz, however to have things work from DC or say
100 KHz (important for my System), I had to go to
some higher value of Capacitance 10nF or more. However
I find that the SRF of the best 10 nF Capacitor
(That I came across) was few MHz. Has anyone
come across a capacitor that can run from DC or
100 KHz to 8 GHz. I am using/looking for
Surface mount capacitors
_________________ Ashish Bondia, Design
Engineer- RF
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yendori |
Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:34 pm
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Hi, I responded to one of your questions
recently. I said to consider the SRF of your blocking
cap. However, SRF is not your limiting factor for
a blocking cap. Impedance is what is important.
Keep the size of your cap is close to the
width of transmission line. I have used 10nF caps
up to 6GHz with no problems.
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ashishbondia |
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:07 am
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Hi! Thanks for your comments. Upper
frequency limit is not what is troubling me. I need
capacitors that work from DC (or very low Frequencies)
to 500 MHz. My idea was that normally till SRF the
impedance decreases and after SRF the impedance
increases with frequency. Since I am working with
broad band signal, any abrupt impedance change in
middle of the band would change the shape of my
spectrum (pulse in time domain). I think I have
to ask our DSP team if they have something to take
care of this.
_________________ Ashish Bondia, Design
Engineer- RF
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yendori |
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:31 am
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Joined: Thu Sep 25, 2003
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It ssems a little excessive to involve DSP guys
in a cascaded gain block issue. I avoid the creepy
digital guys whenever possible. Asking them to fix
an RF problem is like asking a baboon to do your
finances.
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ashishbondia |
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:09 am
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Joined: Wed Aug 16, 2006
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yendori wrote:
Hi, I responded to one of your questions
recently. I said to consider the SRF of your
blocking cap. However, SRF is not your limiting
factor for a blocking cap. Impedance is what
is important. Keep the size of your cap
is close to the width of transmission line.
I have used 10nF caps up to 6GHz with no problems.
If I go by your reasoning the I believe
that SRF should also not be the limiting factor
for the RF Choke/inductor used in Bias Tees for
Biasing amplifier. There also i should consider
the impedance. recently I came across a
part whose data sheet says that it works from DC
to 1 GHz. When I did simulations using the S-parameter
file for the part, I found that the Low frequency
performance was not as given in the data-sheet.
When contacted the support engineers of the part
vendor informed that the measurement was taken using
Broad band Bias Tees at the output port. They suggested
that to get the desired performance I can use a
300uH Biasing Inductor with SRF >300 MHz. I spent
considerable time searching for a surface mountable
inductor with that high SRF for a 300uH inductor.
The best I got was 7 MHz. Although Simulations using
the S-parameter files showed not much degradation
in performance beyond 7 MHz, I don't know how the
measured result would be
_________________ Ashish Bondia, Design
Engineer- RF
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fernetbranca |
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:00 pm
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Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009
12:35 pm Posts: 1 Location: ARG
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For broadband bias chokes (SMT) try with Conical
inductors, such as BCL's series, from Coilcraft,
wich are SRF free up to 40GHz and could be a bit
bulky and expensive (>20u$d) Concerning
to Broadband DC blocks, companies like ATCeramics
and DLI make them, parts such as 545L, 530L (ATC)
and CO8BLBB1X5UX (DLI) would do fine I guess
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ashishbondia |
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 4:56 am
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Hi fernetbranca, I am using CO8BLBB1X5UX
(DLI) for Broad-band DC block. For Inductor
I am still searching for a 300 uH inductor with
SRF >300 MHz. The BCL/BCS series fro Coil
craft is characterized above 50 MHz and m,aximum
inductyor value available is 8 uH.
_________________ Ashish Bondia, Design
Engineer- RF
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yendori |
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:36 pm
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Hi Ashishbondia, I don't think you need
such a big inductor for a choke. The choke should
be 3 or 4 times Zo at your lowest frequency. So
about 200ohms at 50MHz, which is about 500nH or
something. It may even be much smaller depending
on the bias resistor value. I think a 300uH
may cause stability issues. Let me know
if I am missing something. Rod
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ashishbondia |
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:39 am
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Hi Yendori, You are correct in your reasoning
that 500nH will be sufficient for 50 MHz. however
for our application the signal has substantial energy
at frequency of few 100 KHz to 250 MHz. Hence the
part vendor recommended us to use 300 uH inductor.
As for the stability issue I am using a resistor
in series with the inductor in the Bias line.
Please let me know if I there is any issue
with my choice.
_________________ Ashish Bondia, Design
Engineer- RF
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yendori |
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:21 pm
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Hi, You are right. I have no idea where
I got 50MHz from...getting old I guess.
It sounds like you are on the right track.
Rod
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biff44 |
Post subject: Re: BROAD BAND DC BLOCKING CAPACITORS
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:56 pm
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Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2009
11:07 am Posts: 33 |
I find it hard to believe that a 10 nF cap resonated
at a "couple of MHz". I use 0.1 uF chip caps routinely
up to 6 GHz. Many will not give you any trouble,
some might--depending on the dimensions and the
dielectric constant used. As far as the inductor
goes, if it is a low current bias line, just use
a microwave inductor in series with a resistor,
say 500 ohms or so. If that is not going to work,
you want to use a broadband "cone inductor".
https://www.coilcraft.com/bcl-s.cfm After
this, if you need more isolation, I would put a
hundred pf to ground and THEN follow up with a big
choke.
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raghavkapur |
Post subject: Re: BROAD BAND DC BLOCKING CAPACITORS
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 1:03 am
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VSWR |
Post subject: Re: BROAD BAND DC BLOCKING CAPACITORS
Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:14 am
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bhawkins |
Post subject: Re: BROAD BAND DC BLOCKING CAPACITORS
Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:50 pm
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