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Help with TEM Cell- Calculating Field in uV/m - RF Cafe Forums
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Post subject: Help with TEM Cell- Calculating Field in uV/m
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 2:47 pm
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Hello-
My expertise in RF is limited- I write
code in C and assembly, design analog circuitry
to a 1 megahertz or so, and push a lot of paper.
I am trying to calculate the field strength
in a TEM cell given a signal generator output in
dbM and the septum length of the cell. The signal
generator output impedance is 50 ohm, the cell looks
like a 50 ohm load, the testing frequency of 930
Mhz is well within the passband of the cell. Lets
put aside cable loss, adaptor loss, swr, and the
accuracy of my measuring instruments for the time
being.
The TEM Cell manual gives a method
for calculating field strength in cell at test specimen
location: 1. Record the emf applied at cell input
2. Divide by the septum length 3. You get volts
per meter.
I hook up a hp sig gen to
the cell, and set the output to -86dBM
1.
To calculate the emf applied to the cell, I use
the formula P=E^2/R, rearranging to E= sqrt (RP).
I use 50 ohms for R, and get P from P= 10*log(Px/1mW)
2. I divide by the septum length. Now I dont have
the work in front of me but I get something close
to 40-50 uV/M 3. I put a 50 ohm dipole antenna
at the test point (gain is +2.5dbi), but measure
a -107 dbM power at the test point. 4. Using
the formulas from 1, I do not get 40-50uV/m...I
get something substantially less
Whats going
on? Should I be using 377 ohms instead of 50 ohms
in step 4?
Please help this victim of a lumped
systems education make progress!
Thanks.
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Post subject:
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 12:28 am
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*bump*
Anyone?
Is "antenna" factor
responsible for the 20 db difference? What is "antenna
factor" for a dipole immersed parallel to a theoretical
perfect TEM wave E-field and no higher modes?
Is "antenna factor" the same as "gain of an
antenna"?
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Post subject:
Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 12:55 pm
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Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005
11:33 am Posts: 3 Location: Cubicle
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What is the septum length?
I do not follow
how you are converting dBm to uV at the TEM input.
It looks like your starting with dBm (power referenced
to 1mW) , converting to the same units and then
sticking that number into a Ohm's Law equation.
-86dBm = 2.512pW Now using your Ohms Law
Calculation: P = E^2/R , R=50 E=11.2uV
What do you get when you take 11.2uV emf / septum
length? 22.4uV is the input emf, no load.
11.2uV is the RF voltage in a 50Ohm system.
The DUT antenna is non-isotropic, how are you
orientating it?
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Post subject:
Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:12 am
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The septum length is 0.22 meters.
The DUT
antenna/PCB is clearly distorting the field. We
can put an isolated receiver in and get a correct
message 9/10 times @ -83 dbm. But when we put the
bottom circuit board in (the receiver is mounted
to it), we get the correct message 9/10 times @-86
dbM indicated input power. Its very repeatable +/-
1 dbM indicated input power.
I am told
the reason why we measure -107 dbM with a 50 ohm
dipole adjusted to the proper dimensions is something
called "antenna factor" of a dipole. I am told my
calculations do not have to use 377 ohm. I have
always thought of this as "gain" of an antenna but
I believe my understanding is incomplete.
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Post subject:
Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:17 am
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The DUT antenna is a loop antenna as in a 900 MHZ
pager. It is aligned to be in parallel with the
E field of pure TEM mode wave, as the dipole was.
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Guest |
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Post subject:
Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:23 am
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Sorry for the multiple replies but I am consulting
my notes. Finally the DUT has been located in the
cell such that the long axis of the antenna is half
way between the septum edge and the opposite wall
of the chamber.
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Boomholzer |
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Post subject:
Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:47 pm
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Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005
11:33 am Posts: 3 Location: Cubicle
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A loop antenna?? Is is a OEM antenna or something
you designed? If your sensitive to the H field,
then the 377Ohms would apply. However I doubt that
is the case at 900MHz. I am not sure on your
PCB and antenna DUT size. I think the rule-of-thumb
is to never exceed 2/3rds the cavity height and
leave 1/3 between the DUT and septum open to prevent
field distortion. Here is a good read that
I hope will answer some of your questions:
http://www.tdkrfsolutions.com/DataPDFs/antenna_paper_part3.pdf
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Guest |
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Post subject:
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:55 pm
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In general, to calculate antenna factor, you begin
with the input to the TEM cell in dBm. Subtract
the reading on the spectrum analyzer (coming from
the probe output) in dBuV (which is dBm plus 107).
The result is your antenna factor. To calulate
the antenna factor for HP 11940/11941A near-field
probes, use the formula: 104.3- Specan rdg(dBuV)-TEM
input (dBm).
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