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venkataravi
Post subject: Power for MCM and Continous Wave Posted:
Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:38 am
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Hi.
If the CW power of a Power amplifier is 3 KW. What will be its
MCM power .
Iam of the opinion of following two approaches
1. MCM power is 1/3 of CW power
2. MCM power is 3-5dB down
of CW power inorder to keep IMD in limits
Please correct
Regards
Ravi
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IR
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:25 am
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Hi Ravi,
the MCM is dependant on several factors: Number of carriers, modulation
scheme, filter used (e.g. Root Cosine...), these all determine the CCDF
of the signal (Distribution of peaks) and hence the Peak to Average
Ratio (PAR). So the peaks will be at the P1dB power of the amplifier,
but the average power will be of course lower and will be determined
by the parameters listed above. In order to give an absolute answer
to the output power of your PA, you need to provide more information
like:
# of carriers, modulation scheme etc. By the way there is
a SW from Rohde & Schwarz called WINIQSim (I think it is a freeware),
which can calculate the PAR and CCDF based on these paramaters.
Hope this helps!
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venkataravi
Post subject: Posted:
Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:49 am
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Hi Itay,
1. Modulation is OFDM iam not sure about the filter mostly it will
be cosine.
2. Regarding number of carriers it can vary but the
total bandwidth is 2.3 Mhz.
With Regards
Ravi
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:54
am
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OK. This gives some light.
From my recent experience with OFDM signals (Up to 256 carriers),
the PAR can reach up to 10dB, so your average output power will be around
300W or +55dBm. The accurate output power however is still dependant
on the exact setting of your application.
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venkataravi
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subject: Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:11 am
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Hi IR,
Now iam having the exact information. Iam having 2
Bands, A and B with A taking care of 17 Channels and B taking care of
23 channels.
For a Terrestrial Broadcast i require MCM with
seperate ( Amplifier + Txm) for each band.
In order to have a
1 KW Txm i will be opting for 3.2 KW which will take care of 5dB backoff.
1.Can you suggest me as a thumb rule for deciding MCM depending
upon CW power.
2. How the number of carriers will decide the
performance wrt to IMD
With Regards
Y.V.Ravi
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:32 am
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The number of carriers will increase your
PAR. So when you know your PAR you can tell the maximal average output
power: P (CW)-PAR.
On top of that in order to to meet the linearity
requirements, you will have to back-off your input power. I worked on
commercial applications and there you back-off the input power by 3-5dB.
Take into consideration that this will degrade your efficiency - I don't
know how much this plays role in your spec.
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