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A quick look back at Vietnam - RF Cafe Forums
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Stunned
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Post subject: A quick look back at Vietnam
Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:21 am
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We're being told by Senator Ted Kennedy, the guy
who left a pregnant woman to drown in a submersed
car in Chappaquidick, that Iraq is "George Bush's
Viet Nam." You know, the war that has brother, John,
first sent American troops to fight in. Senator
Robert Byrd, a 5-year member and active recruiter
of the KKK during his "indiscretions of youth" (he
was 40 years old at the time), claims that Dubyah
might be a war criminal. John Kerry is touting his
Vietnam experience as the reason he should become
President, even though in 1992, during the Clinton
candidacy, he proclaimed in the Senate that military
service should not be a deciding factor when considering
who should be America's president. If you
believe that Iraq is "Another Vietnam," then please
take a quick look at this timeline that details
John Kerry's admitted-to involvement in committing
atrocities himself, and his indisputable associations
with Jane Fonda and her anti-American cronies. This
stuff is a matter of record, not some Right-Wing
investigator's view of how he thinks things were.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Re ... p?ID=12920
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:55 pm
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I had forgotten about Hanoi Jane accepting and proudly
wearing a ring fashioned from a downed American
airplane, and about her belittling the released
POWs and saying that they were not heros.
Why is this woman still living in the U.S.?
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jesteralternative |
Post subject: first troops
Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 9:29 pm
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"Advisors" were first sent to Vietnam by Eisenhower.
If you don't believe me go check The Wall in Washington.
The first fatalities were in 1959.
Military
service should probably not be a criteria for leadership,
however when you have an administration that is
unbelievably top-heavy with people who never served,
got multiple deferments, or safe NG billets, they
do lose moral authority to send others into harms
way.
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Kirt Blattenberger
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 11:05 pm
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Joined: Sun Aug 03, 2003
2:02 pm Posts: 451 Location: Erie, PA
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Quote:
jesteralternative wrote: "Advisors" were
first sent to Vietnam by Eisenhower. If you
don't believe me go check The Wall in Washington.
The first fatalities were in 1959.
Military
service should probably not be a criteria for
leadership, however when you have an administration
that is unbelievably top-heavy with people who
never served, got multiple deferments, or safe
NG billets, they do lose moral authority to
send others into harms way.
Greetings JesterAlternative:
You will find this interesting. It is offered
neither to dispute nor support your statement, just
to add to it. The music on the site is very nice,
too. ++++
http://lonestar.50megs.com/vietnamvet/casualty.html
Air Force Tech Sgt. Richard B Fitzgibbon,
Jr. murdered in Vietnam by a fellow airman on June
8, 1956, has been formally recognized by the Pentagon
as the first American to die in that war.
With this decision, the Defense Department set
Nov. 1, 1955 as the earliest qualifying date for
inclusion on the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. It says
this is the date the MAAG was officially established.
Eight other pre- 1961 casualties are already listed
on the memorial.
The first death of an American
serviceman in Vietnam occurred Sept. 26, 1945. OSS
Major A. Peter Dewey was killed in action by the
Communist Vietminh near Hanoi. Some 128 members
of a MAAG began supervising the use of U. S. equipment
in Vietnam on Sept. 17, 1950. And two U. S. fliers
contracted by the CIA were killed in action flying
a mission over Dien Bien Phu in 1954. The first
U. S. advisors sent to actually train Vietnamese
troops arrived Feb. 12, 1955. Capt. Harry Cramer,
Jr. was killed in a munitions handling accident
Oct. 21, 1957: His name had been the first listed.
There is another unique aspect to this story:
Marine Lance Cpl. Richard B. Fitzgibbon III -- his
son -- was killed in action in Vietnam on Sept.
7, 1965. The Fitzgibbons are the only father-son
honorees on the Wall.
When Fitzgibbon’s
name is added to the Wall before Memorial Day 1999,
the total number of names memorialized will be 58,214.
++++ I personally believe
that the U.S. Constitution should be amended to
make military service a requirement for both the
president and the vice president. It is truly very
hard, as you state, for those who have not worn
the uniform to make a moral argument for sending
others into battle. Like it or not, George W. Bush
did serve in the military. Those who dismiss service
by Guardsmen and Reservists as illegitimate members
of the armed forces are either ignorant or abhorrently
deceitful. Cheney got a college deferment. Donald
Rumsfeld was a Navy pilot during the Korean era.
John Ashcroft did not serve. Colin Powell obviously
served. Embarrassingly, many Republicans in leadership
position have not served in the U.S. Armed Forces
at all. Bill Clinton, of course, avoided the draft.
Al Gore served. Richard Gebhardt was in the Guard.
Howard Dean was served (by his parents servants
in NYC). So, the ledger is balanced pretty evenly
with served vs. served-not politicians.
That said, I do not believe that having served in
the military automatically makes one qualified for
high national office. It should be a necessary,
but not sufficient condition. Keep in mind that
Benedict Arnold was a decorated war hero, but ended
his life as “a man without a country” for his act
of treason. Let us hope that many of the
people currently serving will decide to make runs
for offices upon leaving the military. -
Kirt B.
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