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Qacer
 Post subject: Insertion loss?
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:18 pm 
 
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Hi :)

Is cable loss the same as insertion loss?

If I were to test a cable under a calibrated network analyzer setup, would I be able to figure out the cable loss using the S-params?

I'm thinking that insertion loss is just S12 - S11, but I don't know much anyway.

Thanks!


 
   
 
Jeanalmira
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:47 am 
 
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Hi :

The insertion loss is basically the loss as the ratio of Pout and Pin. Or, well known as transmission coefficient.

So insertion loss = |S21| and since the cable is passive device, so |S12|=|S21| . If the cable is low-loss, the |S21|=|S12| must be somehow equal or close to zero dB.

In addition, S11 refers to reflection coefficient, which means how much the input power that is reflected. Again as cable is passive device, so |S11| = |S22|. at low-loss cable, the |S11| = |S22| must show low values, preferable <-20dB.

I hope it helps.

Regards,

Jean


 
   
 
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:54 am 
 
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Thanks, Jean!

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